Digital Strategist Goes Client Side: Interview With Christina Lin

I was very fortunate to get paired up with Christina Lin through the Advertising Women of New York's mentorship program a few years ago when I knew I wanted to switch careers into account planning. Christina is a Director of Digital Marketing at L'Oreal, working with digital ad agencies on the Garnier brand.

What's a typical day like at L'Oreal and what are some of your responsibilities?

I manage all digital marketing for Garnier, which means I’m responsible for our website, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and mobile. Our product launches cut across these platforms but I also manage general updates/revamps to these platforms as well as adding reviews and launching our mobile site this year. I also help plan digital media.

What was really different coming to the client side is that it’s obviously more corporate, but there are a lot more cross functional teams involved. There’s marketing, media, events, pr, sales, customer marketing, consumer affairs, corporate - the list goes on!  So there are a lot more meetings involved and just a wider variety of projects going on at the same time. I’m fortunate to work on a brand that has a lot of sub-brands (haircare, styling, skincare, and haircolor) so it’s never a dull moment.

Because contact with the client is somewhat limited, misperceptions and miscommunications between the two sides often occur. How has your view of the client's responsibilities shifted since coming from the agency side as a digital strategist?

Before, I didn't understood how the client never had enough time to keep up to date on what was going on in the industry. Now I know why, since I find myself in the same boat. I’ve worked more hours here than I ever had in my agency life and it’s hard to keep up with everything going on when your days involve non-stop back-to-back meetings. I do think coming from the agency side helps me work better with my agency and I think that my endless pitch practice has helped me become a better presenter.

What advice would you give to agencies to help build better relationships with their clients?

Make an ally on the client side and communicate with them frequently to better understand the hallway conversations that happen when you’re not there. There are so many things going on, and it helps to have someone on your side giving you the inside scoop of what people really think of your creative. They will help direct where to focus your efforts on and where not to.

You started your career at OMD, working in media on Apple, now part of the TBWA/Media Arts Lab. How did working in media prepare you for your previous job as a digital strategist at Tribal DDB and your current job at L'Oreal?

It is rare to make the jump from media to creative, but I have to say that I definitely recommend getting a more holistic background for agency people. Having the media background helps me during creative concepting because I know more about vendor capabilities and am more familiar with what goes into the media space. It also helps with the analytics portion of the job, which is becoming increasingly important as everyone is looking for ROI. Since my job now involves both digital creative and media, it definitely helps that I have both skills from my previous jobs.I'm often told that when asked in interviews what brands I admire, I shouldn't mention Apple because that's everyone's go-to brand that they mention.

You had the opportunity to work closely with the iconic brand while at OMD. What wisdom can you impart about strategy and branding that you learned while there?

Being that Apple was the first brand I worked on right out of undergrad, it was hard to fully appreciate it at the time. But when I look back and realize that I was part of the action from the silhouettes to I’m a Mac/I’m a PC, you start to realize what a huge movement that was. While working on Apple, you learn to go with your gut and to think outside of the “rules.”  Steve Jobs was known for not testing his creative and that is very different from other brands I’ve now since worked on. Sometimes when it works, you just know it and you don’t necessarily have to test it to death.

After working at OMD, you took time off to get an MBA in marketing at Kellog. I've often heard that you don't need an MBA to work on the agency side in strategy but do if you want to go client side. Is this true? Is your MBA directly applicable to what you're doing at L'Oreal?

An MBA is not the end all, be all. What matters more is what you’ve gained from your MBA (a lot of it is intangible) and how you apply yourself. You don’t need an MBA to work in strategy on the agency side, but I would say my MBA has introduced me to different ways of thinking that helps in a strategy role. And with so many MBA grads on the client side, it’s helpful to understand all the frameworks they’re using in order to better position your work. It’s the same when I think about how I apply my MBA at L’Oreal. It’s not specific things, it’s the overall learning you get. Having attended Kellogg, there are plenty of marketing clients that are in my alumni network.

What is it about digital that excites you?

The fact that it’s always changing and it’s hard to ever truly be an expert since there’s always something new. It’s rare that you’re ever bored by the industry. We’re also at an interesting time for “digital,” since everything seen as “traditional” is now digital. TV online, interactive TV, iPad magazines, etc.  Where is the line anymore? It’s all become integrated and fragmented at the same time.

What digital tactics would you like to see more of that you think ad agencies haven't yet fully explored?

I wouldn’t say it’s that digital tactics haven’t been fully explored (everyone’s seen their fair share of apps, social tabs, interactive videos). It’s more a question of how to evolve beyond the digital banner and traditional digital tactics. Most of us ignore banners and we now live in a time where most content discovery is social. So now it’s more, what’s the campaign idea and what’s the best way to execute in the digital space and integrate with TV and print. It needs to be a holistic idea and not just “I need an app but I don’t know what I want it to do.”You have a wide range of experiences and have worked at some great places.

Aside from working hard, what advice can you impart to those looking to make a career in strategy?

Aside from always having a point of view, never stop reading and learning. It sounds obvious, but you’d be surprised how many people don’t carve out time every day to keep up with what’s new and culturally relevant. Immerse yourself in a wide variety of experiences. Your consumers are not always you and live in Manhattan. Travel, and don’t spend so much of your life creating your “digital presence” that you forget to have a real-life presence.

And finally, what are some blogs, websites, digital products or apps that you read or use to stay on top of your game?

Twitter is my main news source to keep up in the industry and my all time fav is Fast Company Design. Always great articles to inspire. I’m also currently teaching myself HTML/HTML5. It’s always important as a strategist that you’re not just a brief creator, you need to understand how things are executed too.